APPROVED 12/4/95

November 6, 1995
Commissioners' Conference Room - 8:30 a.m.

PRESENT: Commissioners: Steve Cornacchia, Ellie Dumdi, Bobby Green, Sr. and Jerry Rust present. Cindy Weeldreyer absent. Representing the City of Eugene: Tim Laue (arrived at 8:40 a.m.) and Laurie Swanson-Gribskov present. Representing the City of Springfield: Maureen Maine present. Budget Committee Lay Members: Peter Bartel and Marie Bell present. Kate Jones, Del Phelps and Bud Stewart absent. Department Heads: John Ball, Steve Carmichael, Jim Gangle, John Goodson, Doug Harcleroad, Bill Hoyt, Eric Langford (for Bob McManus), David Suchart (arrived at 8:50 a.m.), Bill Van Vactor and Teresa Wilson present. Chuck Forster and Rob Rockstroh absent. Budget Staff: David Garnick and Rick Schulz present. Tanya Heaton excused. Facilitator: Lauren Chouinard present. Recording Secretary: Sharon Giles.


Dumdi called the meeting to order.


Motion: Approval of the Minutes of October 16, 1995 (distributed at the last meeting). Rust MOVED, Green SECONDED. VOTE: Unanimous.


Rust reported that $20 million or under is the magic number, but that the subcommittee needs more time. He stated that the City of Eugene wants to see the cap at $9.50, which amount would include figures for a $2 million Eugene levy. Rust remarked that to get there, the Assessor must do projections of what the AV is, noting that if a 6% or 7% assumption/ prediction is used, different numbers result. Rust indicated that the subcommittee was continuing to work with the figures and was confident that it could get below the $20 million figure. He noted that the Sheriff had produced a "190 agreement," pledging to work cooperatively with the cities regarding a systems approach. Rust suggested that the Board might think about a ballot title which stresses "savings" during the first, second and third years and how they will be used to stabilize Lane County government. With regard to length of the levy, Harcleroad reported that most everyone on the subcommittee agrees on 3 years. Rust identified work on the blackboard, observing how the group had brought the sheriff's numbers down. Langford spoke regarding the sheriff's commitment to working with the group and his desire to be off the General Fund completely. Rust observed that the big issue is that there are two ways to get the numbers down - leave a portion of the Sheriff's budget on the General Fund or decrease some service levels. There was comment regarding work to be done on the M&S numbers and discussion regarding the allocation of uncollectables and reallocation of some Tier One costs into Tier Two.

Laue remarked that he would agree regarding removing the Sheriff from the General Fund, but still expressed concern about the rate of growth in the Sheriff's Office indicating that he is not sure that is a stabilizing influence. Rust commented that the group hasn't yet addressed the rate of growth for years two and three, noting that he is personally committed to keeping it flat. Green asked that two representatives from the Board be included in the City's $2 million levy discussion regarding community policing. Green asked if there was further direction from this group to the subcommittee.

Cornacchia expressed his hope that decisions being made are based upon service delivery rather than the cap issue. With regard to participation in this group, he asked if there is a need for new lay members, noting the frequent absence of budget committee members Jones, Phelps and Stewart. He observed the need for the lay perspective. Van Vactor noted that Phelps had come to the Tier Two subcommittee meeting.


Dumdi distributed a memo from Weeldreyer, reading it into the record (see material on file). It basically expressed support for the Tier Two proposal as submitted on October 30.

Langford reported that the group had met last week, noting that they were supportive of the dollar amounts and service delivery levels in the Sheriff's proposal and of a single countywide vote to cover both Tiers. He noted, however, that they had not seen any figures which included possible dollar shifts of some costs from Tier One. Responding to Van Vactor, there was consensus to convene a meeting with Tier Two members to discuss how to deal with the cost shift. Dumdi reported that there have been two meetings with small cities so far and they have been generally supportive. Responding to Bell, Van Vactor indicated that in order to vote separately in rural and urban areas, districts would have to be formed. He indicated that that is scheduled for discussion at a later date (not in conjunction with this proceeding). Swanson-Gribskov asked if there is a alternative "Plan B" in the event there are concerns from the unincorporated areas regarding the costs of Tier Two. Bell observed the need to ask community representatives who deal with the County to work with the rest of the community in dispensing solid information on the proposed levy. Langford observed that rural support is, and will be, based on services that are guaranteed to them. Bell commented on the need to be speaking to people who never go to meetings - not people in the sheriff's support group.

Next Meeting

Monday, November 13 - 8:30 a.m. Laue indicated that Eugene's Public Safety Subcommittee would be going to the Council that night. Harcleroad noted that this group has still not dealt with the "freed up" general fund dollars. Green remarked on the need to be careful with the term "freed up." Swanson-Gribskov reminded the group that the Psychiatric Hospital, Pathways, detox and the District Attorney's ability to deal with the increased workload are still key issues on the table for City of Eugene.

There being no further business, this meeting adjourned at 9:55 a.m.


Sharon Giles, Board Secretary